Hibblen Radio

C-SPAN - Washington, DC
January - May 1993

My five months interning at C-SPAN was an incredible learning experience that greatly expanded my horizons and changed the goals I had in my career and in life. It also exposed me to things I had never seen or thought about before and reinforced my desire to work in news. It was a chance encounter that brought me to C-SPAN.

 

On May 23, 1992 I was at a parade in downtown Little Rock for then-Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton. After having him in charge of the state for much of my life, I was intrigued and surprised at the momentum he was building in his campaign for President. I decided since I was already planning to be in Little Rock that day to go hear what he had to say.

While waiting for the event to begin, I noticed a C-SPAN camera crew also standing around. I had been watching the network quite a while by then and decided to go over to say hey and to ask when the parade would be broadcast. I approached the friendliest looking of the three who was carrying a boom mic and sound equipment.

My C-SPAN ID - Click To Enlarge

 

I didn't know it at the time, but the guy was Steve Scully, who was political editor and a talk show host on C-SPAN. We chatted a few minutes and at some point I mentioned that I was studying radio/TV in college. Steve asked what I was particularly interesting in doing and when I said news he surprised me by saying that C-SPAN had a good internship program. I knew I wanted to do some kind of internship at some point, but hadn't really given it much thought. I told him it sounded interesting so he gave me his business card and told me to give him a call. I did call a few days later and he put me in touch with Susan Paley who coordinated internships.

 

In The C-SPAN Radio Studio - Click To Enlarge

I told her I was interested in interning with the programming department because I wanted to learn about how the network covered things. I sent her a letter and resume but didn't hear anything for several months. I also called and left messages for her but still didn't get a response. I assumed C-SPAN wasn't interested until that November when Susan left a message on my answering machine asking if, because of my radio experience, I would be interested in interning with their radio department. I didn't even know C-SPAN had a radio department and was disappointed that I wouldn't be learning more about the television aspect of the network, but was pleased to be offered the internship. I called her back saying that I was interested and started the process of getting it approved by my university.

Most internships were set up much more in advance and with a lot more involvement with the faculty at Arkansas State University. But Dr. Greg Pitts, the broadcast professor in charge of internships, said he was impressed that I had set this up entirely on my own and went out of his way, even overlooking a few requirements, to get it approved. I would have done the internship even without ASU's approval, but one of C-SPAN's requirements was that the student had to get credit for the program.

 

Even more important was making sure I could afford to take the unpaid internship. Washington DC is an expensive place to stay and I, like most college students, had no money saved. But my parents, realizing what an opportunity this was, were willing to give me a credit card to charge my expenses, which would be a hell of a chore to pay off later. I also saved as much as I could from my last two months of working in Jonesboro.

I began my 18-hour drive to Washington on a late Monday afternoon in January 1993. It was then that I started to get nervous, realizing that I was traveling far from home for the first time to a place where I knew nobody. After driving all night, including a few brief naps beside 18-wheelers in rest areas, I pulled into Washington at about 11:30 the next morning and started looking for the place I would be staying.

C-SPAN had referred me to a company that finds apartments for interns. I was staying at an apartment building called The Woodner at 3636 16th Street NW, along Rock Creek Park. I had also been set up with a roommate named Chris Carlson, who was from Minnesota and spending a month interning for Republican Congressman Jim Ramstad. We had talked on the phone a month before and based on that conversation figured we would be able to get along together. He turned out to be a great guy and we had a lot of fun that month as two people from different parts of the country experiencing Washington for the first time. He also had several friends from his college who were there, so I had an instant group of friends to hang out with.

 

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My first day at C-SPAN was Wednesday, January 13, the day after arriving. Just finding my way to the network's building near the Capitol was an adventure. I rode a subway for the first time that morning, joining the crush of rush hour passengers, transferring trains once to get to Union Station. Then I had to wander around a little bit to find my way to 400 North Capitol Street, where C-SPAN's offices were located on the sixth floor.

I was one of about a dozen interns at the network that spring, although I rarely saw the others because we were all in different departments. Shortly after starting, we all met for an orientation with Brian Lamb, the Chairman, CEO and founder of C-SPAN. He was a familiar face to me because he was one of the most frequent program hosts. I became a great admirer of him, not only because of his intelligence and ability, but also because of the effort he took in making sure all of us understood the mission and purpose of C-SPAN. He really did have an open door policy and was always happy to answer any questions. Lamb would also sometimes wander down the halls, talking to everyone along the way. He seemed to have a hand in everything that happened at the network.

The department I was interning in was responsible for producing a weekly, hour-long public radio program called "C-SPAN's Weekly Radio Journal." Fed to stations on late Friday afternoons, it was meant to run on weekends as a look back at the past week in national politics. It also tried to follow the C-SPAN format of long-form programming by using two to three minute segments of raw audio for each story.

 

C-SPAN credits - Click here to listen

MP3 AUDIO: Credits for "C-SPAN's Weekly Radio Journal," January 29, 1993. This was the first full episode for me to work on and the first which gave me a production credit at the end of the show, saying "with production assistance by Michael Hibblen." Length 1:43 (1.58 mb).

 

Mine was a small department comprised of two people: Audio Networks Manger Beth Talisman and Producer Tom Patton. Beth had been with the network several years by this time, working in a number of different positions. Tom had most recently worked for Voice Of America and had been with C-SPAN a year or two by that point. Most days I worked beside Tom as we selected cuts for each story and did the technical work of getting the show ready for production, which typically meant recording and chopping reel-to-reel tape. We also had technical assistance on Fridays from engineer Chris Montgomery. The photo to the right comes from a contact sheet, showing Tom and Chris outside C-SPAN during a visit more than a year after my internship in 1994. Unfortunately I haven't found any photos of Beth.

Tom Patton & Chris Montgomery - Click To Enlarge

 

On most Mondays Tom, Beth and I would meet with company Vice-President Susan Swain to look at what events C-SPAN was planning to cover that week and what guests were scheduled for network programs. We would then determine which of these would be of interest for the radio program and could then make a rough layout of what issues and stories we would address on that week's show.

 

Editing Tape - Click To Enlarge

The first few days of each week would then be spent gathering audio. After the TV programs were broadcast, we would get the videotapes, find an interesting segment and dub that audio over to reel. Or we would roll on C-SPAN's live coverage and make note of interesting sections.

By Wednesdays Tom would begin writing the script for the show, which would sometimes be revised after being read by Beth or Susan. On Thursday afternoons, with the assistance of engineer Chris Montgomery, Beth and Tom would begin recording their segments as hosts of the show and the hour-long program would slowly come together.

 

Final production, mixing the narration with the raw segments of the program, was usually started on late Friday mornings, with dubs made and a courier picking up the final master reel, which was taken to NPR's uplink facility and transmitted to radio stations at 5 pm. Some carried that feed live, but most taped it for later broadcast over the weekend. Even though the program was uplinked by NPR, it was not an NPR program. C-SPAN paid to use its uplink services since most stations that carried the show were public radio stations. However there were a handful of commercial stations that also aired it.

This was the routine every week that I went through for five months. It always started off kind of slow and picked up, sometimes moving to a frantic pace toward the end of the week as we worked to get everything together. In particular, if something we wanted to include was happening on a Friday, it would push production to the last minute.

It was a very fascinating and exciting time to be in Washington as a new President took office. That was especially true for me as I watched Bill Clinton, who had been my governor for so many years, begin his first term as President. I had not always been a supporter of him. In fact, in 1990 I campaigned for his Democratic opponent Tom McRae during the primary for Arkansas Governor. But three years later I couldn't help but join in the excitement to see someone from my home state begin leading the nation. I tried, but couldn't get anywhere close enough to see him take the oath of office. But a little while later I did at least get to see him ride by during the inaugural parade.

 

At President Clinton's Inaugural Parade, January 1993 - Click To Enlarge

 

I was very idealistic about politics at that moment, thinking we were on the verge of a new era in our nation. Before my internship, my minor in college had been political science. But spending five months in Washington left me rather disillusioned and killed all interest I had in politics.

A good part of it was the nasty tone things took in Washington immediately after Clinton was elected. It seemed Republicans were looking for every opportunity to tear the President down. Each week during my internship I was hearing the nasty tone of confirmation hearings for Clinton's appointments. His opponents worked hard to make him as divisive and controversial as possible, with gays in the military among the first issues thrown at him. But I also saw a degree of arrogance from the Clinton administration that turned me off. It was then that politics and who to support firmly became to me to be the lessor of the evils.

 

Because the internship for my roommate Chris was only a month long, in February I moved to Alexandria, Virginia, where the same roommate matching service had hooked me up with three people who were interning in Washington's public defenders office. Alexandria was much different than living in the district because I could get around much easier by car. There were actually parking lots in front of places. But I still took the Metro in most days and really grew to appreciate what a good subway system is like.

 

A month or so into my internship I sent a letter to my buddy Doug Clifford, who had given me my first position when he was program director at KABF in Little Rock. By this time, to be near his daughter, he had moved to the central Florida town of Ocala and was hosting the morning show on WOCA, an AM news and talk station. He was impressed that I was in Washington and asked if I wanted to join him on the air once a week to discuss what was happening in national politics.

For the next few months I would join Doug, usually on Friday mornings, as WOCA's Washington correspondent, talking for two to three minutes about the top political story of the day. I would also join him on the mornings after important events or speeches. I also tried to localize national stories, sometimes by including details like how Senators or Representatives from Doug's area had voted on specific legislation.

I wasn't being paid for my work, but was happy to help Doug and figured it would give me a little more real news experience to put on my resume. Indeed it had been noted by the news director who would give me my next job when I returned to my hometown of Little Rock.

Story on Doug at WOCA - Click To Enlarge

 

WOCA report - Click here to listen

MP3 AUDIO: Talking with Doug Clifford on WOCA/Ocala, Florida, April 23, 1993. That week we discussed the fallout in Washington from the Branch Dividian cult stand off and fire killing 74 people in Waco, Texas and President Clinton's economic battles. Length 2:28 (2.27 mb).

 

C-SPAN really went out of its way to make the internships rewarding for us. Toward the end of each semester Brian Lamb would invite interns to appear with him live on his morning show. I was fortunate that one of the two guests was someone I was familiar with from Arkansas. Senator David Pryor had served as Arkansas Governor during the 1970's and was at that time the state's junior U.S. Senator. The first question I asked was about his health. He had undergone triple by-pass surgery the year before and I was curious how he was doing and whether the health problems had affected his plans for the future. I was stunned to learn from my parents the next day that his response generated a story in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. With the headline, "Heart may not be in it for the next race," the story detailed how Senator Pryor, appearing on C-SPAN, said this might be his final term. It was apparently his first public comments about that and indeed at the end of that term he would retire, as his son Mark Pryor began his political career.

C-SPAN Inhouse Newsletter - Click To Enlarge

 

With my five-month internship winding down, my last project with C-SPAN was helping to represent the network at the annual Public Radio Conference that May. We had a booth, along with other program producers, handing out free demos and brochures of C-SPAN's Weekly Radio Journal to people from radio stations across the country. It was interesting seeing the process of trying to pick up as many affiliates as possible. I had already done my part shortly after starting at C-SPAN by getting the show added to KASU, my school station at Arkansas State University.

The conference proved to be a fascinating experience. The many session that I saw were interesting. I also met lots of interesting people. Several were people I had been hearing for years like Carl Castle, an anchor of hourly newscasts for NPR. I also talked with people from all over the country and even got a few job prospects. I was also surprised by the load of free drinks, T-shirts and CDs I got.

I was sad when the internship finally came to an end. I had gotten to know so many people at C-SPAN and had especially come to love big city life in the northeast. I vowed that I would soon return. In fact, in my final months I had gotten a part-time job working as a waiter at a Bennigan's restaurant near my apartment in Alexandria. I was thinking of not even returning home, but staying, doing whatever I had to, to be near Washington. But at the end of the internship, I decided to go back to Arkansas to finish my degree, with the plan of eventually returning to Washington. There was one change however. After getting an A for the internship, I transferred to the University of Arkansas at Little Rock for the fall semester. I had grown restless in Jonesboro, a town of about 50,000 people where Arkansas State University was located. After living in Washington, I couldn't take going back to rural northeast Arkansas so I transferred to the Little Rock school.

My experience with C-SPAN was very productive and helped to impress the News Director of KARN in Little Rock, leading to my first real news job. C-SPAN proved to be an invaluable learning experience and I am very grateful to the network and particularly to Beth Talisman and Tom Patton for their patience and all they taught me. I also have up most respect for Brian Lamb and legions of people who have been there for so long and have built C-SPAN into one of the most respected entities when it comes to the coverage of U.S. politics.

 

 

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